of people who doubled the size of the city of rome for his funeral. this is different. this is a man leaving office while still alive. there's no funeral to put a period on the end of the pontificate. we are in completely uncharted waters. we talk about this not having happened in 600 years or 700 years. in fact, under these circumstances, a man in reasonably good health with his faculties intact, has never done this before. so for a church that lives by tradition, lives by a sense of we've been here before, this is quite different indeed. no one really knows what the effects of this will be. i don't have the slightest doubt that for benedict xvi, this was a final act of self abasement, humility. he really didn't think he could give the church what it needed, and that should be honored. the results of this, given the utterly unprecedented character of it, are going to be a dramatic story not only until the next pope is selected but for months and perhaps years as well. >> i think, when you really put it in perspective, this is a church with over 2,000